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Post by Shisa Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:17 pm

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I love this. A photo guide of the German Shepherd Dog and my, how it has changed!
These are all Sieger winners so supposedly the epitome of the Breed.

GSD photo guide
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Post by Caryll Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:24 pm

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This has raised a question in my mind - I know an undescended testicle can cause problems, but a dog only needs one to reproduce.  Is the trait hereditary?

Yes, it's hereditary. It's recommended that you don't breed from a dog that only has one testicle descended.
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Post by LyndaW Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:27 pm

Thanks Caryll. That explains that, then.
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Post by Caryll Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:28 pm

It's one of the few times I'd agree with my dog being castrated, actually!
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Post by Wendy Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:29 pm

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Wendy wrote:Apparently they are breeding black Boxers now. I once spoke to a Boxer owner about it and he was furious with the idea.

Ummmm.  I wonder how - dark brindle to dark brindle, and so on?

All becomes clear after reading this article! Apparently the 'Black Boxers' are actually brindles bred by backyard breeders in exactly the way you describe. They are calling them 'rare' in order to get more money for them. I can see them going the way of blue Staffords and becoming more and more prevalent.

http://www.jdarasboxers.com/rareblackboxer.htm
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Post by LyndaW Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:41 pm

Very interesting, Wendy - thank you. So, they are basically (and probably inbred) brindles and should be discouraged.

But I'm wondering why a "black" boxer should be described as rare and by inference sought after, whereas white boxers which sometimes occur naturally are pts? Are white boxers deaf?
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Post by Caryll Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:42 pm

Good article. It's the same with black & tan or merle staffords. The breed isn't genetically capable of producing either colour unless there has been an input of foreign blood - ie a cross with another breed somewhere in the fairly recent past.
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Post by LyndaW Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:47 pm

Coincidentally Caryll, when I was able to walk Kuchar we often met with a Boxer puppy, now about 8 months I'd guess, and Kuchar and he loved to play together. This pup is HUGE, I have never seen such a fast growing, long-legged Boxer. And this pup has an undescended testicle (tbh the other one is barely discernible) and his very proud owners tell me that he will be castrated in due course.
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Post by Caryll Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:50 pm

Large dogs' testicles will often descend later than smaller dogs'. For a larger breed I'd probably wait until he was about 2 years old, unless the vet felt there was a medical reason to do it before. I certainly wouldn't castrate before a year old, even with an undescended one.
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Post by LyndaW Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:35 pm

tbh I don't know when they intend to do it. I just know that this Boxer looks more like a Great Dane every day.
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Post by Caryll Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:38 pm

Are they sure it isn't a great dane? wink 
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Post by LyndaW Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:24 pm

They're sure! He has a typical Boxer head (thankfully without that tip-tuppy nose), he's just etiolated in height and length and as skinny as a whippet. They've had boxers before (indeed, are experts on the breed according to them), he's just like no boxer I've ever seen (apart from the head).

He's a lovely boy and I shall watch his progress with interest.
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Post by Caryll Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:25 pm

Strange! See if you can take a surreptitious photograph of him! wink 
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Post by LyndaW Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:38 pm

When I'm able to walk Kuchar again, I'll try!
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Post by Shisa Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:54 am

You can cross breed with another dog and then breed back to 'pure'.
I read this on how they got Harlequin Miniature Pinschers.
They crossed the MinPins with X-breed (I can't remember) and then bred those pups back to MinPins. After 10 generations those dogs were considered pure breed MinPins and they added the colour to the standard. These dogs are at least healthy.

What bothers me is when some dimwit breeder breeds Harlequin and Merle Great Danes together. Both patterns carry lots of recessive problems such as blindness, deafness etc.. You have to breed either pattern to a solid colour coat for health reasons.
I read this in a fascinating article where they explain that coat colour/pigment first starts in the fetus's ear. White is an absence of pigment and that's why so many white dogs are prone to deafness.

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Post by LyndaW Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:13 pm

Thank you Theresa for the explanation on white dogs and deafness.

Does this apply to GSD's as well, does anyone know? There are 3 near me - they look beautiful but all have wonky temperaments and I'm wondering if a degree of deafness might account for that.
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Post by Caryll Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:20 pm

Shisa wrote:You can cross breed with another dog and then breed back to 'pure'.
I read this on how they got Harlequin Miniature Pinschers.

Are Harlequin Min Pins allowed in SA? They're not in the Uk. dunno 

Shisa wrote:What bothers me is when some dimwit breeder breeds Harlequin and Merle Great Danes together. Both patterns carry lots of recessive problems such as blindness, deafness etc..

That's the same as breeding merle to merle. sad  So many problems.
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Post by Eleanor Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:28 pm

The lengths some people will go to for aesthetics... Don't even get me started on double merles!
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