A bull breed question I dont know how to ask.

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A bull breed question I dont know how to ask.

Post by tracyp on Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:50 pm

They have a 1yr bullie breed, not desexed (yet. Will be soon.)  Playfull yet,  humping everything. They are not socialising nor properly training (or at all) IMO. They keep him away from other dogs incase he gets excited, will not bring him to visit mine, for both fear & experience of him acosting Tyson. (I have no problem. He needs trainging &socialization!  Tyson will put him in his place... they are worried. There is no "doggie school". for him nor rules. 

There would be consequences in my house, but he is not my dog.


I am annoyed... no... angry! He should me mixing with others now, his dad says.. ohhh poor baby is upset when his wife tells him off!...... Are you sh1tting me? The dog is confused by you all!


Today I showed mum what mine can do. I am not dragging, but Tyson healed, sat, stopped on a right leg move.... I put him in a stay & asked her to get him to come. He didn't move till I released him & I haven't done that in near 2yrs


I love my friends & their pup but..... at 1 yr.... he should sit, stay. Unless THEY need training more than their dog. I could add more, but, whats your thoughts?


P.s. a young dog won't sit & stay for 20 mins, but they can for 30 secs + at a yr.

Well I do know how to reply but, I am looking for others thoughts.
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Re: A bull breed question I dont know how to ask.

Post by Lorraine on Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:22 pm

tracyp wrote:
I love my friends & their pup but..... at 1 yr.... he should sit, stay. Unless THEY need training more than their dog. I could add more, but, whats your thoughts?


P.s. a young dog won't sit & stay for 20 mins, but they can for 30 secs + at a yr.

Well I do know how to reply but, I am looking for others thoughts.

I think it is your friends, rather than their dog who don't understand training. Having a big dog that gets overexcited with others can be a daunting prospect, especially if you don't know how to manage greetings, play and behaviour. Sometimes having an owner who panics when a dog is 'misbehaving' only exacerbates the situation. Perhaps you could give a little guidance?

Morgan had her gold 'Good Citizen's' by a year old, that included a two-minute stay, including 30 secs with me out-of-sight. It should be possible!
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Post by LyndaW on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:50 pm

Well, I'm no expert on bull breeds by any means. My experience with Kuchar leads me to believe that Staffies are very easily excited by other dogs or humans, and at 1 year old (like your friend's dog) will want to play with every dog or human they come across. On a lead, they will be stronger than you would think possible for a medium-sized dog, off-lead they may very well go deaf to commands in the excitement of the encounter.

If this particular dog is an enthusiastic humper, then maybe he has a high sex drive or more probably has a high urge to prove himself "top dog".

I agree with you Tracy, like any dog of any breed, socialisation is a "must". And of course, training (calmly, and at home, to begin with).

I speak from very limited experience here, so please forgive me, it's just my tuppence-worth.
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Post by tracyp on Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:11 am

Lorraine wrote:I think it is your friends, rather than their dog who don't understand training.  Having a big dog that gets overexcited with others can be a daunting prospect, especially if you don't know how to manage greetings, play and behaviour.  Sometimes having an owner who panics when a dog is 'misbehaving' only exacerbates the situation.  Perhaps you could give a little guidance?

Morgan had her gold 'Good Citizen's' by a year old, that included a two-minute stay, including 30 secs with me out-of-sight.  It should be possible!

My friends hubby has no idea about training in my opinion. Though he's a a lovely man, he cannot set rules for "his" dog ( though his wife is the one who spends 99% of the time with him.) & tells his wife she is mean to the dog when she tells him off. shocked

We are going over for dinner tomorrow night. I think they dropped in to vent on me & look for help. Dad doesn't like chokers, he thinks they are cruel as his dog gasps for air when the put one on him.

THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING IT CORRECTLY!!!!! YOU DON'T BLOODY STRANGLE THE DOG TRYING TO PULL HIM DOWN THE STREET!!!! It's a short sharp correction. I showed mum & daughter on Tyson. Oh? Thats not how we have been doing it. covering eyes
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Re: A bull breed question I dont know how to ask.

Post by tracyp on Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:29 am

Lydda, I think you are spot on speaking of staffies. This is a larger bull breed. 

Edit: I am not mentioning the breed as I do not want to incite an incorrect analysis of this breed. I am sorry to say but my opinion has & will always be... if a dog is unrully, lokk whos holding the lead. (Rescues, attacks etc excluded. Then there are many factors in play that are not in this case.)

I am a very opinionated person where training & socialization are concerned. I base my dogs training on, german methods taught to me by my german born family with GSD's in most every home & have used the rottweiler clubs training methods with all of mine. I do not give a pup an opportunity to fail, "no" is not an option with mine. From day one, (allowances of course for the dogs age) if they are told to sit & dont.... I put them in a sit. If they think growling, biting, humping etc is fun.... they soon realise everytime they don't stop when told "stop"... they are excluded from the family. (Again, time spans & allowances for age.)

Doesn't take long. Good behaviour = fun. Bad behavior = on my own watching from afar.

I love that pups get excited, want to jump, run, play, chew your new best friends face, just be a mad pup. Go for it! That's what being a pup is about. But.... when you cant take your pup anywhere... you are constantly yelling at it not to do something... people worry if he can be controlled.

I don't like that. For either the dog or owner as if they don't do something soon he will end up never going anywhere other dogs are just as their last dog.


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Post by tracyp on Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:49 am

Lorraine wrote:
Morgan had her gold 'Good Citizen's' by a year old, that included a two-minute stay, including 30 secs with me out-of-sight.  It should be possible!
I forgot to say...

Absolutely!  We did the same with my rottie. Sounds like we train them very similar.

We had about 15? dogs on drop stays, 2 mins 30secs all owners out of sight. Tennis balls thrown within cms of them, trainers nudging the dogs with their foot on their rump as they winded in & out of the line up. None moved!

I train by both old german family methods whom most have GSD's in the house & rottie club methods. "No" is not acceptable from a dog to me & I make darn sure as a pup there is no opportunity to fail a command. (Dogs age in mind. I don't ask what they cannot do at their age.)

& well done to Morgan! That's brilliant! & shows commitment by both parties. thumbs up thumbs up  thumbs up

It shows my point. & I bet she is a happier, more content & confident dog for her training, knowing whats expected of her & I BET she actually smiles when she does well & her mum is pleased with her. love
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Post by tracyp on Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:11 am

Sorry to go on guys. Training & socialization are of the utmost importance to me. I am venting my annoyance here so tomorrow at dinner I don't tell him off & have a rational training/socialization/neutering discussion.

But I'm guessing a brick wall may be in front of me. Mum wants my help, opinion... dad thinks "his boy" is just fine not to learn to be gentle, heal,  sit, drop, stay..... sure you all understand what I'm harping on about.
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Post by Lorraine on Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:30 am

tracyp wrote:
Lorraine wrote:
Morgan had her gold 'Good Citizen's' by a year old, that included a two-minute stay, including 30 secs with me out-of-sight.  It should be possible!
I forgot to say...

& well done to Morgan! That's brilliant! & shows commitment by both parties. thumbs up thumbs up  thumbs up

It shows my point. & I bet she is a happier, more content & confident dog for her training, knowing whats expected of her & I BET she actually smiles when she does well & her mum is pleased with her. love

Thank you; yes she is, and yes she does happy I took her with me when I went to the Foundation training for dog trainers earlier this year. We haven't done anything in a class room situation for over six years, and she hadn't forgotten a thing! I was very proud of the compliments I had. If I'd taken Tristan, however, that would have been another kettle of fish...........
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Re: A bull breed question I dont know how to ask.

Post by Shisa on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:59 am

The breed of dog doesn't matter.
1 Year old dog, intact with no socializing or training = a disaster waiting to happen.

Gypsy is 4 months old and can do a 2 minute sit stay reliably and she's freaking hyperactive.

If this particular dog is an enthusiastic humper, then maybe he has a high sex drive or more probably has a high urge to prove himself "top dog".

The dog is just rude.
I'm sorry but your friends are being idiots and irresponsible owners.
Sorry.
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