Manchester dog home on fire

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A number of dogs confirmed dead, but seems the fire is out now

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-manchester-dogs-home-fire--7758178

Their justgiving page for any donations
https://www.justgiving.com/dogshome/

LyndaW wrote:You're a bigger man than I am Eleanor.  I'm afraid I have no sympathy for the thug who did this - my heart is bleeding too much for the 60 dogs who died horrible deaths.

Ditto!
Words escape me reading this. Bring the little sh1t here. Justice would be served via the bush method in 5 mins with the tools of his trade.

No matter what, there is no excuse for this!

Sigh

Here's a good article: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/12/manchester-dogs-home-fire-blame-adults

My faith in humanity is restored. Those blokes were tops!  I would have rushed there with water & blankets also. What lovely people!

To be fair, people rehome for a huge number of reasons, so not all of the dogs in there would have been results of indiscriminate breeding or poor ownership. Sad to say that a lot of them would have been, though.

Eleanor, you are right...there are many reasons people rehome. However, not one is acceptable to me to this day. Rehoming is the exact definition of poor ownership to me.

The one thing I will stand by, no matter what anyone ever says to me is... do your doggie homework! Don't take a dog home that you can't handle! Don't get a cute little pup if you don't want a dog, if you don't have time for training , walking, socialising, etc... Once you take a dog home, you have made a commitment for it's life!

If you accept a dog into your life & home... be it a pup or rescue....deal with the issues! Would you discard a child or teen in the same way because you're moving? Sorry, no room for you now, can't be bothered anymore, or don't like their behaviour or attitude? Teach them to live harmoniously with others. We can all live together.

Tolerance for rehoming is not one of my attributes.

All of those dogs should have been in their homes, not in a shelter.

Shame on the humans!

I'm not so sure. I think sometimes the best thing to do, for the dog as well as the owner, is to rehome. Example: there was somebody at the Staffy forum who had a couple of lovely dogs. He was an extremely responsible owner, who doted on his dogs and his family. For some reason, one of the dogs took a sudden dislike for the other and fights kept breaking out. No matter what was tried, nothing could solve the problems. Eventually, it all came to a head and they started to fight, with his son nearby (I think). He had to make the difficult decision to rehome one of the dogs with the breeder. There are also times when an owner becomes ill or injured and is unable to care for his/her dog.

I do understand where you're coming from, of course! It's never nice to see a dog in a shelter. I don't believe it should ever be an option, unless it's an absolute last resort and you've exhausted all other options.

I remember this too Eleanor. He was heartbroken but he had no choice - the fights were horrific. He was very lucky that the breeder took the dog back - not everyone in that situation is as lucky.

I can't put here what I think of this boy. I've been in tears every time I see a story about it, those poor dogs

It particularly hits home when you see a photo of a dog that perished that looks like a dog you love. I am desperately sorry for all those dogs of course, but it was the photos of the Staffies did for me.

LyndaW wrote:I remember this too Eleanor.  He was heartbroken but he had no choice - the fights were horrific.  He was very lucky that the breeder took the dog back - not everyone in that situation is as lucky.

I still feel terrible for him, that he had to make that choice. I think he had three dogs, didn't he? And it was just two of them who seemed to have trouble. I remember how upset he was when he got them back from the vets that last time.

Caroline wrote:I can't put here what I think of this boy. I've been in tears every time I see a story about it, those poor dogs

LyndaW wrote:It particularly hits home when you see a photo of a dog that perished that looks like a dog you love.  I am desperately sorry for all those dogs of course, but it was the photos of the Staffies did for me.

The picture of the Bull Terrier did it for me. It really struck a raw nerve.

Unreal amount of money raised. I hear they are calling the new block the phoenix.

I hear that the lad was attacked by a dog so turned to hate them.. NO excuse at all. Just hate that the police will never actually do anything.

It is very heartening to hear how people are rallying round - and the name "Phoenix" for a new block is so appropriate.

And yes, Hayley, that is his excuse and I hope it is not given any credence at all. What 15 year old has not been hurt by an animal, or a plant, or a human being, or anything in this wide world at all? but most if not all resist any impulse they might have to wreak wholesale revenge.

We'll see what happens ...

They'll have to do something, even if it's just to appease the masses. There'll be a total outcry if they don't.

The article I read yesterday said that he'd been hospitalised due to the attack. Still no excuse.

No excuse at all. I really hope he doesn't just get a slap on the wrist

Me too. If he's mentally disturbed, I hope he gets the help he needs.

A valid comment from a newspaper article


Assuming they have nabbed the right lad, we will probably never know what combination of idiocy, malice, mischief or mental maladjustment drove him to set the place on fire in the first place. The dumping of anger and opprobrium on one anonymous young head is understandable, but ultimately pointless. I hope we can between us reserve some of our rage, despair and horror for the countless individuals, not just in Manchester but on our own doorsteps, wherever that may be, who breed or buy dogs with ignorance, irresponsibility and inadequate commitment, then abandon them when the novelty or need is gone.

Without one stupid kid, 60 dogs would not have died at MDH last night. But without hundreds of stupid adults, those dogs would not have been there in the first place.

I will never agree to rehoming unless the dog is taken as the owner is a moron or neglectfull to the dog, an owner that shouldn't have had a dog in the 1st place. Rehoming for the dogs welfare is very different to an owner giving up a dog.

DON'T TAKE A PUPPY/DOG HOME IF YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH IT OR ITS ISSUES!

Not one dog have we ever taken & then rehomed. Everyone I know,  lives by... you take it home...deal with whatever comes! Boo, would have been a prime candidate for rehoming! Attacking, biting, digging, chewing, he couldn't be off leash for he would bolt for miles & kill everything in his path... Instead we all adjusted to him.

I don't think I know who you are talking about on the staff site. But I do know someone gave up one dog & kept the other due to mum's allergies. What a load of sh1t!

As for doing this because he'd been bitten.
I had 3 Malamutes attack Jess & I.
I am yet to set fire to anything!  That is also a load of #$@/!

(I am writing on assumptions as it has not been in the news here.)

Oh! By the way.... If my 2 started fighting....
They would not be rehomed! They would be separated!
I stand by my statement.

I brought them into my house, I will ensure their happy, longevity! That is a commitment I made the day anyone of them came home.

Eleanor wrote:Me too. If he's mentally disturbed, I hope he gets the help he needs.

I said that on FB and got slated. Basically the general public thought that he would be better killed than mentally disturbed, Kind of hurt, as i know about 10 people in work who would very happily do this crime but it is NOT their fault due to mental issues..

tracyp wrote:I will never agree to rehoming unless the dog is taken as the owner is a moron or neglectfull to the dog, an owner that shouldn't have had a dog in the 1st place. Rehoming for the dogs welfare is very different to an owner giving up a dog.

DON'T TAKE A PUPPY/DOG HOME IF YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH IT OR ITS ISSUES!

Not one dog have we ever taken & then rehomed. Everyone I know,  lives by... you take it home...deal with whatever comes! Boo, would have been a prime candidate for rehoming! Attacking, biting, digging, chewing, he couldn't be off leash for he would bolt for miles & kill everything in his path... Instead we all adjusted to him.

I don't think I know who you are talking about on the staff site. But I do know someone gave up one dog & kept the other due to mum's allergies. What a load of sh1t!

As for doing this because he'd been bitten.
I had 3 Malamutes attack Jess & I.
I am yet to set fire to anything!  That is also a load of #$@/!

(I am writing on assumptions as it has not been in the news here.)

Oh! By the way.... If my 2 started fighting....
They would not be rehomed! They would be separated!
I stand by my statement.

I brought them into my house, I will ensure their happy, longevity! That is a commitment I made the day anyone of them came home.

Have to say im in your corner. But i can also understand some reasons. Its easy to say "i would never" but when it came to it...i mean if one of your dogs bit a family member what woudl you do?

If he is mentally disturbed to the point that he could do this... isn't he also a danger to society? Where is the line between the responsibility of an individual & a community?

Hayley wrote:
Have to say im in your corner. But i can also understand some reasons. Its easy to say "i would never" but when it came to it...i mean if one of your dogs bit a family member what woudl you do?

Myself?
Well Boo used to bite everyone. Never was a child in the room with him. Friend, foe, or just an onlooker. He didn't care.. "you got flesh, I've got energy & I got teeth!" (He was a resuced french bulldog. We were his 5th family.)

My two...They wouldn't! That's a fact! They are highly social & well trained. Teeth... NO!   Not in my house! Simply not acceptable, never has been, never will be.

If you hit me, they would both defend. You would cop a few bites but that's your problem. We don't have any aggression in this house. I have spent yrs training them both to be gentle with everyone & thing.

But...in your scenario.... I would go back to basic training, as we did with Boo. At 6yrs he was taught he must have a kong in his mouth to greet people.

I can categorically say, without the slightest reservation.... I will deal with my dogs! We have bubs, teens, adults, other dogs in the house constantly. My dogs are solely my responsibility.

They will never be rehomed no matter what! I took them on, I will be responsible for them the entire length of their lives. No excuses!

I don't move where I cannot take them. I do not go away if someone can't come to be with them, & I train constantly to ensure they are a pleasure for any man or beast to be around.

I think he's a danger to society, whether he's mentally disturbed or not. If he is mentally disturbed, though, hopefully he'll be able to receive treatment and/or therapy during his sentence. I'd hazard a guess at saying he's just a thug, though.

Rehoming is a very sensitive topic for me at the moment, so I think I'll just sit back and read for now

Though it is a highly emotive topic....Why is it sensitive for you? Have I missed a post?